So last Friday (20/04/2012) I posted this article.
A quick summary, I was just ranting about how you can marry your cousin in some states but not your boyfriend (or girlfriend) if you’re gay.
The marrying your cousin thing was left out for some reason and a lot of focus was drawn to whether gay marriage is right or wrong and what religions role in it was.
I just want to thank you for the great response and I had some really affirming comments on there, people thanking me for providing a nice place to discuss this without any anger. And it was all very lovely discussion, a bit of healthy debate and I would like to thank the people who commented on it for being polite and respectful to each other.
I replied to one person and they made an article on their blog with their response and I replied on there and it turned out to be a lengthy post and I would like to share what I said because I wrote so much that it seemed like a nice follow off and closing up point.
The article was on Birds blog. On this post there is also her reply to someone else about Satan that is very interesting to read.
Below is her response to me and then my lengthy response which I think was polite but the length could have made it seem like I was ranting at her, which I want you, and her, to know I wasn’t.
I’m in complete agreement with rowangirl. A person is not defined by their sin…they are a person struggling with a sin, just like everyone else. In my opinion, science has proved nothing to support gay copulation. It produces no life, which is scientifically what sex was designed for. Thank you for inviting our opinions and providing a civil atmosphere to discuss this topic.
Is it truly a sin if they had no say in the matter? Like an earlier comment stated, a gay person is no more in control of their sexuality than a person is with the colour of their skin. It is often said that God created us in his image. I’d love a quote from the Bible that says being gay is wrong.
Also as a comment stated (think it may have been the same one) the Bible is thousands of years old, how do people still think it applies today in the exact way it was created, as the planet matures and as a race we grow surely must peoples morals.
You pose very good questions, Daniel. However, I have learned that these arguments go round and round but never answer anyone to their satisfaction. I don’t find that science has proved that there is no God, or that people are born gay. You don’t accept that the bible is true…So, we’re at an impasse. The bible says in many places homosexuality is a sin. It also says that without being saved, the words in the bible are foolishness to man. See? There is no winning the battle without someone having an open mind. I won’t..I believe in God 100% and His Word..and you won’t either…the book is foolishness to you. It is that same book that tells Christiansnot to be running around judging people…and that includes homosexuals. If science is all we’re looking for here, than maybe a repulsion to homosexuality is an instinct…I don’t say that to agree with it, but science is just too random to be used as proof in all this.
Hi, I thought I would comment on here after seeing the link to my blog, hope you don’t mind (:
Regarding science proving there is no God, I don’t think that science has and I hope it didn’t come across this way. My father says it best, “you can never prove God DOESN’T exist, you can only ever prove that he does” for example if we haven’t proven something there’s no way of knowing if that’s just because we haven’t found the right way of proving it.
Obviously this theory can apply to anything for example Aliens, (although that is another thing all together if you want to know my views just let me know aha). About people being born gay, I believe it is either they are born gay or they are gay through social conditioning, either way I don’t think it is a choice. Out of interest, what do you believe the reason for people being gay is? Do you believe Satan has made them that way? And if so if it is Satan’s doing, then surely the gay person has no more choice than if he were born gay?
Also, I don’t think the Bible is foolish at all, whilst I can’t say I have ever read it from start to finish I know some of the stories, and to me they are comparable to fables, which as you know, have a moral behind them.
For example the story from which I am named, Daniel. That teaches bravery and courage. To me the story of Noah and the Ark is about acceptance of all “breeds” (ie, species, races, genders). And obviously there are the ten commandments, where 6 of those apply to me to be nice as a person. So you see, the book isn’t foolish at all it teaches some really great things. Just the “higher meaning” of it doesn’t apply to me, because I’m a non believer (also I’m curios, as a non-believer does that mean I am sinning for not believing? I have always been led to believe that non believers, come the end of time (armageddon) that God will reveal himself to us and give the people who don’t believe a chance to repent, you’ll have to forgive me I am really uneducated when it comes to religion).
“It is that same book that tells Christians not to be running around judging people…and that includes homosexuals” I’m glad you agree it is quite contradictory, so what do you do in that situation, is it a matter of personal judgement whether you want to judge a gay person or not?
Your last statement, about Science being random. To me Science is a core thing to this world, without science we wouldn’t have things to cure diseases, to help injured people. We wouldn’t have the computers we sit and blog on or the television we watch our favorite programs on. Of course Science is random, and that is the beauty of it, (It sounds like I worship science now aha, I can assure you that’s not the case). Obviously there are downsides to sciene too, don’t get me wrong. For example atomic bombs, guns etc, all come from science too. I wasn’t using science as proof, just as a form of evidence.
Sorry for such a long post aha! I’m just finding this very intriguing, the only person I have to talk about religion with is my mother, and we don’t get any perfectly well as it is let alone when we discuss religion!
If you managed to read all the way to the end I applaud you and thank you for time. I hope you enjoyed the discussion. In lieu of the great response I had and the enjoyable debate I am going to post another article
tomorrow tonight about another highly debatable subject.
Hopefully see you
tomorrow now! Though I don’t think people will get as passionate aha, but it will be interesting to see everyone’s views.
[UPDATE: I decided to the post the article now aha]
- You Can Marry Your Cousin But Not Your Boyfriend (wordsformwindows.com)
- The Sin of Homosexuality (hislambiam.wordpress.com)
- The Bible and Homosexuality (66in66.wordpress.com)